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All right, I thought it’d be fun. And I sat down. And I tried to think about this, because I’m like, have we done this episode? And as best as I can find, I don’t think we have,

Yeah. Feels like we’ve maybe talked about around a lot of this stuff several times.

we talked about web hosting. So that was a thing that came up

Yeah, so yeah, I wanted to talk about though like what we use on a daily basis that just makes our work better and you may agree with these. You may disagree with Some you may have your own preferences. And by all means, let us know if you have something that you think works really well or better than some of the things we mentioned. But

first, sir, I so most of my work is done in either, obviously HTML, CSS, that mean those are Givens JavaScript, PHP, velocity, Apache velocity is a templating language that we use heavily in our content management system. And in terms of JavaScript, like I am lightweight with react and angular and some of that like I wouldn’t necessarily sell those services to somebody but I’m getting there. I think that mostly hits on like mice. I’m definitely like senior In the developer type, skill set,

the database and like controller layers rise mostly where I work. So the start with the hosting is the first thing on our list web hosting. If you want a deep dive into this though, I would suggest going listen to Episode 43 Jeff Madsen joined us on that episode, we talked all about site hosting. So this is why I like this. Some of this stuff will maybe sound or feel a little familiar. But there’s a whole episode on site hosting. So that’s a good place to start. My go to his Digital Ocean.

At this point in at this level of my expertise, I like running my own servers. Yeah, setting up your own what they call droplets, which are just virtualized Linux servers is very clean and easy. They have images for a lot of applications that are preset, you could just say I need a WordPress server and it’ll spin up a little server with WordPress on it.

And we probably recommended that in four different shows now and it’s gonna get recommended again, and this little one so

And most of the, the shared hosts that you’re going to go to are at least four bucks a month already, and you have no control over anything so that it does it.

they’ve expanded their portfolio to the point now they have managed databases, they’ve got blown storage. We’ve talked about this, and we want to go way back on this episode 23. We talked about block and object storage and content delivery networks. digitalocean has spaces and I’m not going to go down this rabbit hole or nothing but just from the hosting standpoint, they solve all these problems. And they do it in my opinion more simply than AWS does, because it is kind of I don’t want to say it’s like geared towards the lower end. I think it’s geared towards people who just want to get stuff done quicker

what we’ll get there. Don’t worry the other is because if you’re not in that boat if you’re not somebody who wants to run a server and handle all that and take the time because it is a lot, I I’m evenly split between like Hostgator and Bluehost. Quite frankly,

these you know, these are affordable. They generally start at like $3 a month. If you get a promo rate or something, then pay a year up front. They’ll go up to four or five bucks a month, then so you’re kind of at digitalocean pricing. These are throwing a domain name into it. Yeah, yeah, that’s something worth noting. They’ll usually throw your domain registration in with it, if you keep it through them.

Part of what you’re paying for there is it’s it’s not a managed host by any stretch of the imagination, but they certainly are taking care of some of the server management. Basically, they do your updates and everything that you would otherwise have to do if you were on digitalocean. There are trade offs. Exit, go back, listen, Episode 43. We talked about all those differences and trade offs. A lot of the time worst case scenario, if you want a shared host, just google him and look at ratings guys. You know, these three will generally be at the top of those ratings, and will have the fewest problems and can’t go wrong, AWS, to their credit, they’re trying to kind of get into this game with lightsail. I think it’s worth mentioning. I’ve not used it yet. I am working with somebody who’s using it though at the moment for a WordPress site. incredibly cheap. I think it’s like four bucks a month. It’s one of those like, click a button, you got WordPress running and nothing to worry about. So that’s something maybe to watch as it matures. And that may become a much higher recommendation very quickly, I think in this space, at least if you want something known like WordPress, Drupal, they’ve got images for quite a few different systems. Now, I threw GitHub on this list. And I know that’s weird. But GitHub is sort of hosting.

code hosting. It’s a place to code repos. Yeah. And I think I wanted to mention it specifically because I don’t use Bitbucket anymore. I have abandoned Bitbucket. I liked a bit bucket because they gave you unlimited private repos if you had a.edu email address, which I used to have. But now GitHub has basically given you that there are some limitations, but I’ve never, at least with my personal account ran into those limitations.

hosted or self hosted?

Yeah. Okay. For those who don’t know, you can actually go get get labs source code and run it on your own server right set up your own, which is cool. Very cool. It’s open source.

Yeah. Um, but GitHub Pages, I think is something worth drawing attention to now, because with the increase in things like static site generators, like Gatsby and some of those, is that github.io? Yes. Okay. But the thing is, you can alias a domain name to it. So you can set up a sea name with a domain and have your site hosted at GitHub. Unknown Speaker Okay, cool. So like if you go

good example of this. For folks who are looking for another web developer podcasts to listen to, and I have no doubt you’ve heard of it syntax. Last time I checked syntaxes website is ran through markdown that’s hosted in GitHub. And then they use a static site generator to pump out the actual website on GitHub Pages that I may be wrong about a couple of those details. I don’t know for a fact they’re hosting on GitHub Pages, but I think they are. And I know their show notes all run through GitHub. So when you look at like, the the show notes for one of their episodes, there’s an edit button on them and like any, you can go in there and if you saw a link that was wrong, or a typo, you can actually issue a pull request to their show notes and fix stuff for them. which is I think, super cool.

Outside of that, I don’t know what you use.

I would just love exactly once. So

you’re building.

a lot. It’s it’s Facebook, but for you know, yeah, for cloud services, it’s just, it’s everything. And that can be very

You’ll have no problem. But it does make it powerful. Yeah, makes it incredibly powerful. The the ability to scale stuff You know, the way everything in our works with each other is is very nice. We host our entire web infrastructure in it.

Yeah, they’ve got a free tier on most of their stuff. They now have a whole and you kind of mentioned that they’re like, their whole machine learning platform is now available, which includes stuff like the image recognition and image training and all that. I wouldn’t even know how to begin. That’s there’s a team at work that is committed to ml and the stuff they’re doing is crazy. Cool. And so outside of my Yeah. Here’s my question. Yeah, if you’re wanting to get into something a little bit more powerful, we’ve we’ve mentioned the two big players, digitalocean and AWS. How would you recommend somebody decide between them?

know, you don’t need it. Yeah,

and from if you’re just looking at hosting, I would say digitalocean is pretty much the one yeah, basically. Yeah. AWS is going to be good if you need to do a lot more than host basically right. I think this may be the way to look at it.

So let’s talk about that code editors. Because if you are doing web development, sorry designers and I, I guess one thing that is going to be lacking from this episode, I listed nothing design tool wise, because I’m not a designer and Aaron’s not a designer. So yeah, we apologize in advance. omission. My, my day is currently split between two and I’m slowly getting off of one I have for the last few years mainly used atom which is get hubs text editor. Yeah, simple out of the box. It’s a very basic text editor. Clean tons of plugins for it for all kinds of stuff. And really has worked very well for me for a long time and I probably won’t outright get rid of it. At any point. I have a feeling

yeah hearing paired coding. Yeah. teletype. Yeah, I knew where teletype we were talking before the show about some of this. As soon as you started saying, I’m like, Oh, you know, we should have brought up teletype. So Good, good. Yeah.

been it’s worked fine every time we’ve used it for anything. At work, but my problem with Adam has been increasingly, especially with plugins. performance has started to become kind of an issue with it. It’s it’s, it’s built on electron, right? Yeah.

I’m slowly switching to VS code, increasingly, Adam is gonna hang around into my muscle memory for it goes away. VS code is certainly more. The way I describe it is, you know, it’s a text editor. It’s a code editor. But it also blends in a little bit of IE kind of functionality. It is not 90 and don’t let anybody tell you it is because it is not. But it does. Like it has a really good code cross referencing features that you see in a lot of IDs. So if you’re working on a function, as you type the name, it’ll give you a quick link or a pop up or something that will describe what should go with that function. And if it knows how the rest of your code is,

that I find really useful. And like I say Adam can do that with plugins. VS code can just do it though, which is nice. So it’s the the footprint is smaller. It comes with some stuff baked into it like GitHub, the GitHub integration which again, you can get an atom through plugins, already is there in VS code and works real nice and clean just out of the box. I like that. You can set up workspaces for different environments. So slowly, I’m kind of I think, gonna switch over to VS code and eventually once I think once it’s all my new work is going into VS code, all my old work is still an atom. And once I finally take the time to open everything up in workspaces in VS code, I will finally be a convert. Funny story about VS code.

Now thinking about pair programming and shared programming, do you use code pin at all? or anything like little j s?

I’ve gotten to where I like it. Yeah, especially like just when I’m trying to share stuff or get something across certainly embedding it. You can embed code pins in websites. So if you write blogs about coding or anything, and you want to share examples, it’s a good way to share an example. Mm hmm. I used it just the this last week. I was that talking with my The rest of my team about a CSS implementation for a feature we were looking at. And I said, here’s how I think it can be done. And so I just rather than trying to like mock it up in our existing code base and committing stuff to GitHub and doing all that, I just open code pin real fast, wrote up three lines of HTML for the element, and then typed up some CSS and was able to just give them a link and be like, Here, look, here’s the thing working the way that I was describing so that they could because sometimes, as you may realize, talking to people like this on a show may not always get a point across perfectly when you’re talking about code and things like that. So they right you need to see what somebody’s talking about. I love code pin for that. If you’re familiar with Chris Kohler, this is maybe of his he runs CSS tricks, which will come up here in a little bit. But great tool, you can use it for free, set up an account and save your stuff. I’m sure there’s probably a premium version of it for something but

I used supply for a good while before Adam.

That’s the only reason that I went from sublime to atom is for the opposite reason, which is that sublime was almost too basic for me. And so when Adam became available and allowed us to bring in linters, and things like that, and plugins, it was like, Man, this is like better sublime. So,

Yeah, tell me about that. I’m curious about vi feels like an interesting way to spend your life coding. So

FTP. That’s all I need. And I can get you. Yeah.

So I want to talk just quickly about, like, I’m going to group some of these. So this is going to span some stuff. So libraries, apps, and third party tools. These are just things you know, whether they’re packages or actual applications or whatever. I’ve got four that I feel like I’m going back to a lot lately that don’t fall into the category of code editor or hosting or anything like that. The first one is open WC. Open WC is an NPM package you can install. It’s a scaffolding for web components. It allows you to initialize like a basic outline the web component with lit element and some of this stuff, just to make it quick and easy. It includes like a testing framework and a linter, and all of this stuff for it, and a gulf pipeline. So it’s real quick and easy to do. Start making a web component. And we’re doing a lot more of that at work. And as a result, I found myself coming back to this quite frequently. The second is WP gulp. I’m going to go through these kind of fast. There’s not a lot to say about them other than that they exist. And I’m using them, but we’ll link them in the show notes. Is that like the Gulp JS compiler,

Yeah. So it’s, again, it’s a script, just install? I think it installs right NPM and maybe does not have to go look for it to be sure. Otherwise, you just clone it. Maybe just clone the repo is what you do. But what it does is Yeah, it’s got your Gulp file all set up and everything. It’s set up to streamline developing themes and plugins and WordPress, Unknown Speaker okay,

so that it’ll automatically compile JavaScript and CSS that’s associated with those and

yeah, it’s nice, it’s clean. It’s super easy, and it gives you a way So that like, if you do a lot of theme development or plugin development, you’re not constantly rewriting Gulp files and recreating stuff. This just comes in, it’s ready to go. And I found it to be relatively agnostic on you know, it’s, it’s not very opinionated, I think is the phrase, you know, you can adapt it to whatever your workflow is or where your files are kept or anything like that, along with WordPress is WP dev kit. We brought that up on the show before Chris Weidman was on with us to talk about that. It’s just a quick Docker environment that lets you spin up WordPress environments and have them run in a container so you can develop against them. Yeah, and to a lesser extent, just Docker in general. One thing we’re doing with Docker, that’s kind of cool right now at work is we’ve taken like all of our dev tools. So all our stuff like Gulp and all that we’ve made Docker compose file with all of it so that any dev can go grab that file and run Docker compose up dash dash service ports, blah, blah, blah, and have all of our dev tools at the ready for them browserify Gulp, some people are on Mac, you know, we’ve got different versions of some of these things. And so it was becoming problematic sometimes with like, users need to know which version of node should I be using which version of NPM should I have? all this kind of stuff. And so having it all Docker eyes now means you don’t have to care. Just go grab it started and run Gulp, and it’s already set up for you correctly.

deep well to go down.

I don’t think that’s any worse than using like either like MySQL Workbench or even in select PHP myadmin locally to connect to stuff.

It’s super cool, right? Because you mentioned like testing, if you do a pull request, you can have a GitHub action that runs Travis CI runs your tests. And it’ll it will report. In the pull request, it will add a

In ci, yeah, right. That’s what the CI in Travis CI means. The next so let’s use that as a segue Testing, testing frameworks, so to speak. And I say that because my first thing on this list is something that is not strictly a testing framework or tool at all. It’s Private Internet access. I don’t mean that abstractly, like you should have Private Internet access. I mean, like, the the company but VPN? Yeah, the VPN Private Internet access. The reason I I list them under this as a testing tool is it for me, because I developed sites for international audiences that are not just audiences but offices. So you know, we’ve got offices in France or in Japan or in the UK, Australia, I sometimes need to simulate being one of those users because we are doing something that is like a geo targeted feature, right? Things like GDPR compliance, for instance, come into this so detecting a user if they are European and presenting them with a certain behavior for privacy standards. For me a VPN becomes an incredibly valuable testing tool. Yeah. And PII a Private Internet access is probably one of the better trusted

So I just I say that only because of that, like, it’s, it’s kind of a weird thing to say for testing. But from an actual framework standpoint, I’ve pretty much gone all in on Cypress. It’s a JavaScript based integration test framework. It uses like mocha and several other assertion libraries in it. So you can pick what assertion library you want to use or assertion syntax, it probably supports it. And right now, like I’m, I’m not doing crazy wild tests with it, like you can. I’ve seen it comes with when you initialize it, you can actually have it initialize all the example files. And some of the examples are gnarly. Like, it really makes you realize how powerful that tool is. In my case, I’m nowhere near any of that yet, but I’ve definitely quickly come to love like it pops up like beautiful gooey that anybody can relate to. For the most part, from a development standpoint, see what’s passing or failing. I’m pretty sure there are GitHub actions that can tie into it and like Travis CI and everything. So those have been really valuable I think to me from from a testing standpoint,

is fair for me to call like our spec, more of a unit test, or R spec. m. unit tests for folks who don’t know unit tests, test, like the embodiment that containment of like a piece of functionality, like given a function with this, I should get, you know, one back, whereas integration tests generally confirm outcomes. So like using a form and making sure The form output is right without caring about how the form does what it does.

And it would make sense to someone who maybe didn’t do Cypress very much works that way. Yeah, the assertions are designed like, it describes whatever and it’s like, yes, it Yeah, should equal one. And

Yes, plenty among familiar with,

You know, I didn’t write this in the show notes. But you bring up Dev Tools makes me think of things like lighthouse and some of those but I think that actually saying something like Dev Tools is fair because checking out like page performance using the performance profiler and stuff for things you’re building just in the browser is an incredibly important step to making sure stuff’s working right. Optimize we is neat. Is that ever a previous job that lets it’s like JavaScript thing. And then it lets someone do like a B testing and then get stats on how each version of AB test worked on the UI. So that sounds like mine, which is Google Optimize. Guess

I’m a big fan of Google optimized for and this is good for the UX side of drunk and UX, but they let you set up a B tests with a number of criteria, you can go in and change markup or conditions or anything really nice for giving you like a curve in terms of you know, how confident they are. If one thing is performing better than another reporting system, it’s real nice, very easy to use, for the most part, plugs right in the Google Tag Manager. Or you can just install it manually if you want. You do need to have Google Analytics running because it uses like goals as its way of knowing what what is better than what. So you need to know how to set up a goal in Google Analytics and be familiar with that. But outside of that, optimize has been my go to AV tester. I think at this point I would be hard pressed to use something else I think at this stage a documentation This one’s easy. Yeah. Astrium I used for a while. What is that so Astros a view dot j s base based pattern library generator. So like pattern lab are used to, but it was pretty simple to use. I’ve started moving away from it. And I’ll explain why in a moment. The nice thing about it is it’s simple to use. It runs like on GitHub Pages, for instance very easily. So if you had a project and you wanted to have the style guide, be a part of it and be available on GitHub Pages. You could just install Astra minute and plug your stuff in and be ready to go. The only reason I am hesitant a little bit to recommend it is because it does appear to be an abandoned project. I think it’s not been touched in like three years, but it does still work. So if you’re wanting something very simple and quick, I think it’s still worth looking at. My go to though at this point for pattern libraries is fractal man, I don’t think I’ve seen it. Oh, it’s so nice. It’s a just go in and you can install it from NPM. It uses by default, it uses handlebar templating to generate like code samples, and markdown for the notes and documentation on everything. You can import whatever style sheets or JavaScript into it you need. But man if you need to document patterns and code and design standards or branding standards, anything like that. Practice is very cool. I think it’s a practical build. I’ll have all there’ll be a link in the show notes, certainly, but I’ve gone all in on it and our new design system that I’m working on at work is going to utilize it entirely

It’s the gateway to a lot of other documentation too.

I’d mentioned the syntax earlier, the syntax podcast and that’s their show notes, their markdown files when you go edit them those markdown files. And like I said with fractal, if your, your template when you build out like a button and you’re going to show how a button works now it should look, that’s all done with the handlebar markup. But when you write your notes about it, the notes file there readme.md file, it’s markdown. And so that’s why it’s like markdown is kind of your gateway into other more powerful things down the road quite frequently. So and your first run in with it is going to be in GitHub, probably if you’ve never gotten into that stuff. You’re going to have to if you do any GitHub work, so I want to round out everything with just some recommendations on resources, things that we use a lot in our day to day to learn about stuff. One of my big ones is Smashing Magazine,

a huge breadth of articles, well researched. well written, well edited tons of information. And I’m usually Yeah, it does mean sometimes you’re going to sit down for 15 or 20 minutes to read. It’s not a three minute article, but their stuff has been over the years consistent. Our next episode, we’re going to be talking about something new coming from Smashing Magazine, which is super duper cool. But they they really have over the years, consistently, I think, proven themselves and along with them. The other big one is a list apart

Yeah, as elements set up well, this year, I mean, how many years ago now? But same kind of thing, right? Long articles generally, but great articles from industry leader, folks on all kinds of topics. Not everyone will be interesting to you, but that’s okay. But great research material and stuff to treat it. Those two sites. Unknown Speaker Crisco, your CSS tricks? Oh god. Yeah.

Man. How many times A day do you go reference that site at this point?

Yeah, no, it’s it’s still a good site to go reference once in a while or man, they’ve got a, we haven’t talked much about it. But CSS Grid if you’re getting into grid layout at all, there’s a great article at CSS tricks that is like everything you need to know about grid, and it really is like it is everything. So it’s there’s a ton there, but it’s super cool. And anything front end wise, whether it’s designed development, UX libraries, tools, there is an aggregator called web designer news.com that I frequent that I find really helpful for sort of helping me get to the cream a little bit, so to speak, so that I don’t wade through lots and lots of bad articles every day. And it’s exposed me to a lot of stuff like it UX booth and UX collective and sites like that, like, it keeps a lot of those things up in front of me specie boy has been mentioned on the show a number of times. And you’ll see their stuff featured on that site web designer news.com. You know, they’re an aggregator. That’s all they are, but it’s nice.

Oh, totally. Yeah.

I mean how many times we fail to battle so given them props for the amount of effort, like like they really yeah, they they took that belief of, you know, good SEO is good marketing kind of thing. Like Yeah, they really took that to heart and they they Have a content strategy, it makes sense. And they said, we’re going to move into that space and own it. And boy, did they. They their documentation can’t be beat, in my opinion. Not even close. Yeah, we’ve talked many, many times. You know, we’ve dropped the names Steve Krug and Donald Norman, in book, just any any book that they’ve written Design of Everyday Things, rocket surgery Made Easy, I don’t care, go grab anything. We’ll put links to some of their stuff in the show notes. But you don’t need us to do that. They’re easy to find they’re everywhere. Don Norman is one of the founding members at the shockingly the Nielsen Norman group was in g.com. We’ve referenced them plenty of times. You know, these guys are absolute, like stalwarts in the field. Anything that has to do with developing user centric and user facing things and doing it right. You know, these guys have opinions on And you may not agree with him every time and I wouldn’t expect you to. But it’s also hard as hell to argue with him on a lot of stuff because most everything they put out is backed by a shit ton of research.

And this one’s stupid, but I’m going to Say it as a resource, but like Google and Stack Overflow.

yes, is an issue of kind of media literacy literacy, right? Like knowing how to find the answers, because there’s there’s a joke, and it’ll be up on our Instagram. Actually, by the time you’ve heard this episode, but it’s like, you know, they deleted StackOverflow. So congratulations, you no longer know how to be a programmer. I mean, we all reference these things so frequently, and not just like, knowing that they exist, that you can get answers there, but knowing how to get the right answers out of them. Yeah, learning that skill can be incredibly valuable. Because there is just such a wealth of knowledge in whatever it is you need to know. But knowing how to go find it is certainly a skill unto itself. It’s not something to be ashamed of. It’s something every developer does. every developer does. Oh, yeah. Any developer that tells you otherwise? Isn’t lying.

it’s a simple matter of efficiency in some cases. Yeah, I, I know for a fact I could write a chunk of code x that would take me an hour. Or Yeah, I find the people who have already written it in five minutes, and use their code as the basis for what I need, like, or you that’s just efficiency at work at that point is, you know, don’t reinvent the wheel kind of stuff. And so yeah, don’t I wouldn’t trust the developer that says they don’t use StackOverflow or Google?

Oh, God. Yeah. Because nobody writes good error codes. Discuss that to the final one on my list is Twitter. Yeah, one of my things is I used to have Feedly set up and tons of RSS feeds from all of these sites. And I’ve tried to read all the time, I still read all the time, the way I do it is different. By and large, I’ve curated my people I follow on Twitter such that when I see somebody I follow, recommend an article. I kind of just trust their instinct. And I’ll use that to decide what to go read quite frequently. It helps expose me to different stuff, it helps me read people that I wouldn’t otherwise have ever seen, and gets me some diversity in that material. And so I found Twitter to be really useful in that area. And even if you don’t use Twitter a lot, get your account and just follow like some of the big names and see the stuff they share and the things they put out there and who they’re amplifying. At the very least. It’s just a good way it’s it’s a good discovery tool still for some of that.

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