This is episode number 72. It’s the Drunken UX Guide To Hacktoberfest. Folks, Thanks for joining us. I’m your host, Michael Fienen.

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I believe so. I think I’ve rehearsed this a few times now, So I should have gotten I

Don’t same or that’s not a good way to jinx us.

hypothetically. If we had to have done this three times tonight. I’m just saying so long. If I was to have done this three times, I might be already a little more buzz than I had intended because I’m drinking Glenfiddich 14. Which may sound weird if you know anything about Scotch. It sound weird to me. When I saw it, it was in a bright blue tube, which caught my eye.

blue, but it’s got a nice little blue collar on it. Alright? Zulu. So it’s the Glenfiddich 14 bourbon barrel reserve, which I didn’t know existed to me. All scotches Bourbon barrel because Scotch is aged in bourbon barrels s. I was a little confused. I had to do some ah, hair, bit of research on it. So what it is, it turns out, is it’s aged 14 years in Kentucky bourbon barrels because Albert and comes from Kentucky, and then it’s finished in new oak.

Okay, the reason that makes it more interesting is normally I say, scotches aged in bourbon barrels. There’s this whole like circle of life with whiskeys, where bourbon is aged in new oak and then bourbon. Companies like Jack Daniels and and Jim Beam and all these other folks, uh, sell off their barrels overseas, usually the wineries and two Scotch distilleries, because scotch in particular to be scotch has to be aged in X bourbon casks.

Used ex-bourbon casks. Normally, this would just be a normal 14 year. Then what makes it special is this. Finish in new oak gives it that sort of brightness and sweetness that you get in bourbon. As a consequence, bourbons tend to be a little brighter, stronger On the vanilla front, there’s literally a chemical compound that comes out of oak called vanilla, that is named such because it gives it imparts a vanilla flavor there.

But you also get that sort of sharp tree fruity flavor. So we’re talking like apples, pears, apricots Is apricot a a tree? Fruit? I think it is.

Um, I do like it. It’s, um I think, distinctly better than the Glenfiddich 12. I would say it’s probably not as good as the Glenfiddich 18. I would say it’s better than 15. So I don’t have a bottle of 15 right now to directly sort of a B Compare it. But my memory with 15 is 15 is nice, but I like this sort of again, that sharp sweetness that comes out of this.

So if you’re looking for something a little different and you like a space side and you want something that’s just off the beaten path 14 Bourbon barrel reserve, that’s what I’ll be having tonight. I’ve

Don’t worry. We we drink responsibly. We’re recording from home. We have water. Here is well, so

Don’t. As long as you don’t write a Segway upstairs because I can tell you right now, Segways can hurt you. Yeah. Have a little experience

I’m not going to do that. I’ve had to explain to my chiropractor three times.

there’s that. There’s a reason why there aren’t a lot of Scotch cocktails out there. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, So they get things started here. I wanted the warm things up with a little article I read. I liked the title, Got me immediately. It said there’s a good reason why Experienced Dev’s say it depends so often it’s over. A change log dot com It was written by Jared Santo. Do go read it.

It’s very jam stack centric in terms of like what drives his rationale can you

like javascript ap I mark up. So it’s this idea of having, you know, a purely rendered page that works client side with no need for server side technology. No databases, things like that Usually, um, the idea is like, you’re pages is fairly static, so it’s very quick and very fast and performance. Good article. I think it applies to developers. I think it applies to designers or UX people e think it applies to accountants.

I mean, you get this division of people, these layers of people And what made it funny to me? It was thinking about like your You have your junior Dev’s right, your new hires, your young Dev’s when somebody says, Hey, can you do this? Their immediate answer is usually yes or some variation thereof. They’re very gung ho. They’re very passionate. They’re very fearless to tackle a question that is posed to them. That’s not bad. It just is that you know,

and you learn a lot from the failures that come out of that. Quite frankly, you know, applying the wrong technology to a problem because you didn’t know better, like that teaches you a lot, right? Sometimes you get the older Debs. Let’s say I don’t like that phrase because it’s not about age. It’s more about complacency. That may be the right word. Yeah, settled. Stagnant is the better word.

Those folks, when they’re opposed with a unique challenge, tend to say no right now. Uh, think so. You want to do what? No. And we’ve all worked with that person or talk to that person or read a stack overflow answer written by that person that they they don’t evolve. They get to a point where they stop learning. And these were your folks, you know, 10 years ago, 12 years ago, that couldn’t get away from table based layouts or didn’t give up flash.

You know, they stuck to what they knew, and as a consequence, they they didn’t evolve beyond that. And so when they’re posed with that challenge, part of the reason they say no is simply out of fear. You know, they don’t because they don’t know themselves how to get beyond what they’ve done. Then you get the third person, which is who this article is basically about, which is, you know, let’s just call them the experienced developer.

And when posed with those questions, it’s always well, I mean, it depends. It could be easy. Or it could be hard. It could be done tomorrow, or I mean, it may take us a month. It depends. I think, that that answer comes very much out of that experience, triaging and dealing with people and understanding how requirements, impact scope and things like that. I

or or the classic is also like I say, You know, you get these stagnant. Just say no. There is a diplomatic and correct way to say no, there’s the No, but no, But we can get you 80% of the way there. No, but we could. For most other thing that’s very similar and to the user would be transparent. It’s about offAarong alternatives. It’s about not being a nabs struck Shin ist, basically helping to find solutions and solve problems.

The but is the key word to any of that? No, but is much different from no

The the article, As Jared writes, that gets into a lot of the technology component of it, like choosing technology to solve a problem. There’s a quote in it from Matt Mullen wig that I’ll read that I really enjoy because I think about Jam Stack in these terms. We just had last episode 71 Chris for Nandi and us talking about Vanilla Js and I really sort of e. I enjoyed the hell out of that. If you don’t know Chris listening.

That episode is a great introduction to him, and he’s very passionate about this idea of doing things simply and and and and what not? And the problem with things like Jam Stack is this brittleness that gets introduced with these technologies. What Matt said was, you can patch together a dozen services, each with its own accountant building for hundreds of dollars a month. T

o get a similar result, you’d have you’d have for a few dollars a month using WordPress on a shared hosting, and it would be more fragile because the chain is on Lee, a strong as the weakest link. You are chained together different tool sets, Loggins building hosting any part of it going down, Kenbrell the entire flow. That’s where the it depends comes in because people who say it depends understand collateral.

They understand. You know, uh, we were talking before the show as we were going through notes about you know, this idea of legacy code right when you’re in an environment with older systems, especially that you have to interface with knowing what may or may not break or how far you can push something is a huge it depends kind of moment. The idea always comes down to Can you do something right? Can you do X?

You can always do X, but, you know, code is, ah, marvelous thing. Like you were just saying right, the the AI question of Can you identify what’s in the image we have that ability. That’s a That is a thing we can do.

And it’s a matter of this combination, right of what is success and how efficiently can we achieve it, right? Especially in the business world, You know, every hour of my time is a certain amount of salary that costs the business money. And yes, I can go out. I’m not NML guy. We actually have an M l team at work that does incredible stuff.

The things they have built so far, um, are quite frankly, amazing, Andi, I know at a high level how it works like conceptually, I have no idea how it works from a code standpoint, But those efficiencies can I Could I learn it? Yes, I have the capacity to learn that. Is it efficient? At that point, it depends. How much money are we gonna make off of it? Right, So that that it depends comes out of that.

And so the reason I guess I wanted to throw this article out there, go read it, check it out and learn sort of that difference between enthusiastic. Yes, is stagnant knows or when you hear that developers sit up next to you and say, Well, it depends. It’s not always a good sign, but generally, I think, is a sign of somebody who is more thoughtful about their process, understands consequences and and things like that, and has an understanding of the things in orbit, so to speak.

Um, I like it depends. And that’s why I it rang so true to me because I use that phrase so much. The more I thought about it, I’m like I really I like people who say it depends because it means whatever is coming out of their mouth next is going to actually articulate the problem a little bit and what goes into solving it? I think it’s

So there’s a very cultural reason it’s a thing. But, you know, I I read that same article. Actually,

hair, because if you have Netflix, there’s ah, man. There’s a Siri’s and I forget what it’s called. Now it’s about video games. Oh, high score, high score, and they’re so good. One of their episodes is about Nintendo. Yeah, And about the guys who went to Nintendo and from America America and worked there. Uh, wasn’t Morimoto did she get my brother toe?

Yeah, that gets that’s like that is the like, the absolute nexus of the angry American walking into that room and them talking and having they had no clue like it wasn’t intentional or anything. They just had no idea of the cultural difference. And so the way they approach the problem shocked everybody, but it got the job done. So I think that’s I think that’s actually where that originates from. Yeah, I

Well, let me tell you something. Whether or not you’re gonna enjoy that depends. So if you’re listening to this on release day, and I hope you are, because that means you are a drunken UX super fan and I have nothing else to give you, except I guess saying you’re super fan E. Yeah. If you hit me on Twitter or something, we got some stickers and posters and I’ll send you some stickers. Just let me know

You’ll get double. Oh, my God.

if you’re listening. It is in theory September 28th, which is right before October. Which means it is We are right on the cusp of hacked Ober Fist. And we have talked about this. I’m pretty sure it has come up every season right about this time. Actually, it’s usually come up right about the middle of August or October rather each year, because I know because every time I’ve said I’m gonna actually finish it this year, my big problem has been that the projects I work on our whole private repose.

So I don’t get any credit for any of the PRS. The dozens and dozens and dozens of PR’s I issue over the course of a month. No credit. But though, um, Hacktoberfest is something put on between, I believe digital ocean is like one of the primary sponsors and get hub right like they do partner on that, I believe,

and it’s done through. Get hub. Uh huh. This is, like one of those times. So what did Hub does is it’s their month every year. What, for the last 345 years? Somewhere in there?

No, I I commit stuff every month, I think Hayden

Thio your own reposes that cheating, right?

Well, now I’m just gonna cheat.

um, this year so the way they’ve they’ve got to set up, you have to commit four pull requests. What we call pr’s, we’ll hear PR. It’s not public relations. Pull request. That’s ah, pull request is a thing that merges your code into theirs, and I know that most of you probably know that. But a lot of you may not. It’s really, you know, part of what it is. A. They’re trying to encourage support for open source.

They’re also trying to encourage, like first time commits from people and get new people into the. This idea of what we call a version control version controls the thing that lets us keep our code, you know, up to date so that, you know, over time it can change. But we have a record of it, and we don’t have toe worry about, like you know, what we call code collisions and things like that.

Really, let’s admit it is also a huge marketing scheme for them. Oh, yeah, it’s absolutely a marketing play, but it’s a very cool one, so I give them a pass on on that piece of it. But it is marketing, so I will acknowledge that just in case so that no angry comments come my way. So there’s a non article over on David up to from Corbyn Taylor. He talks about his experience last year like as a first time Hacktoberfest person.

So it’s cool if you wanna go read like his experience. He was a data scientist who wanted to get into programming and used Hacktoberfest is kind of ah, engine for that. There’s a quote that I really liked that he made, and I’m sure I’ve heard this somewhere else, but I can’t attribute it to anybody. Eso I’m gonna attribute it to Corbyn because he put it in bold coders are ultimately problem solvers. The reason I like that, Yeah, it’s like that.

It’s this idea that you know why Hack Tober Fest works is because all of us instinctually enjoy a challenge and helping people solve a problem. Mhm. And there’s a sort of hunger that comes with that. I think for those good Dev’s for those Dev’s that say it depends a lot, they’re the ones who really enjoy being said. Hey, how do we do this? Well, depends And then they go figure out. No. Well, no, we can’t do it that way.

But if we do these other things, we could get most of that work done. Yeah, I like that quote because of that, because I think it really embodies sort of that spirit of why hacked Ober fist exists and why it works. That spirit of going out and finding something to do because, you know, and Aaron, I’m gonna lean on you pretty heavily here that, you know, most resource way.

I’m, well, the best I can. Hey, one of us has got to do the work here. Most open source projects, I think are really happy to get help. Quite frankly, because again, most of those projects are very small, you know. Yes. In some cases, it’s one guy

That was very mean. I know. I’m sorry. I know,

one last time. I can’t sing. Um, that’s such a good song on and to your point, because I like I would say, diaper base is a small project. It’s not Jake weary. It’s not, You know it’s not. Yes, you’re on the roof. It’s small, but it’s the big by many comparisons.

you also I think, fall into that category which many of these repose will, which is a. You are enthusiastically available to help people answer questions and support folks who are like, Hey, this is interesting to me I like this problem, but I’m having a little trouble understanding X. Can somebody point that if you have that, You know.

And we’ve emphasized this many, many times that mentorship the importance of mentorship in our field. There’s even on the smallest one man projects. Most of the time, they’re going to be so excited to have somebody contributing that they will help you in almost any way that you asked as long as you just ask.

Let me ask you this. Yeah, because I think this is like one of those things, too, because people I’ve got a I’ve got a little anecdote. I’ll tell later that will tie into this actual issue. There’s beer, I think, for especially people who are not used toe contributing to other projects there’s this fear of what you know, they don’t want my you know, my stuff.

I may not do it right or I may bring their stuff like there’s when you’re not used Thio opening up to people like that. I think there’s a hesitance to say I’m gonna make a PR for them and

that’s why Hacked Ober Fist exists. And we’re gonna talk about how to find stuff that is very open for that. But I want to tell you a that fear is natural. It’s okay, Thio, you know, push against it and say, You know what? I’m gonna I’m gonna make this PR because the worst that could happen so I just don’t take it.

But no, you It’s either you consume elect one or the other.

There’s a name. Help me because, unlike you, I’ve now had a fair amount of Scotch. Hey, you’re drinking whiskey? Um, where’s the proof of your scotch, man? I’m 43 about 40% alcohol, But I’m beating you. There’s a there’s ah, word, though, right? A name for this, where some repose will have like a like a commit policy

but that will help if you’re having hesitance. If you’re worried about making a commit that maybe won’t be accepted or isn’t valuable. You can look for that, and that will help you understand, because there’s some other stuff that could be involved. Maybe it’s running tests. Maybe it’s fallen certain code styles, and that can be intimidating. I’m not gonna lie.

But if they have that, if they have those rules, usually they will have some guidance in that document as to what goes into it or what you need to include in terms of your poor request. So I just want to say I understand. I do get it and I know that that can be intimidating and you don’t have the worry too much about that. Nobody’s going to get mad at you, so to speak. If they do, let Aaron and I know and we’ll set him straight. Let me

Which takes me to my last point on this. Yeah, just as important as trying to find a project and helping contribute everything is if you run projects, make sure you’re encouraging others. Because Hacktoberfest is all about the new people coming in and getting excited about your project and getting them, you know, encouraged and learning and tied him. Because if they get excited about that first PR, they’re much more likely to make mawr.

And if they’re doing that, they’re helping you out for free. Yeah, there’s, ah lot to be gained by making sure you’re not an asshole.

kind everywhere. That’s absolutely true.

And I do want to say I’m gonna go off on a tiny, tiny tangent here, but only because I saw this recently and I reached out to the folks. They didn’t answer me. So I’m going to assume I don’t have permission to share their story or who they are, so I’m gonna not do that. But what I am going to say is, I know there is a certain culture of people that exists who have decided to use git hub as a means of attacking certain people on get hub when they identify them and they, they will attack their projects, they will spam them with bad PR.

They will spam them with comments, and I just want you to know if that happens to you. I do say it honestly, that reach out to us, and we will be more than happy to come in and provide any assistance. I think Aaron and I, I’m speaking for Aaron a little bit, but I think Aaron and I are on the same page. This that that is not okay. And there are plenty of us out there that are willing to support and defend on those issues.

So just saying that out loud, especially during October fest. But I know activity picks up, so you don’t have to put up with that. Let me just say that. I think that’s fair. Yeah, definitely less serious. Now getting started in this. Let’s talk about getting started. Like you’re excited because there’s, ah lot of way to do this. So I’m gonna jump ahead in the notes. So I’m gonna apologize to Aaron real fast.

I’m jumping out to sea because I think finding something is one of the most important steps. Yeah, And I say this because I know we have some designers who Listen, I know we have you X people who listen analytics, people who listen, not all of your coders. And you think, Well, this is no good to me, but it absolutely is. Oh, no. You can be

There’s, ah whole myriad of things. Um I had a friend. I said I had a story to kind of tie this in earlier. I have a friend who’s not a developer at all. Uh and but she is interested in tech. And most specifically, she was asking me about how to get into technical writing. And one of the pieces of advice I gave her was Get on, get Hub, look for the label.

Good first issue in areas of documentation because if there’s one area that is hugely lacking on a lot of projects, it’s good documentation. Um, you know, a lot of developers. They’re great writing code. They’re great at building a product. They may not be great about explaining that project. And so technical writing is one of those areas, like as long as you learn how to use git hub and learn how to make a commitment be rights.

Um, markdown, which isn’t hard. That’s not a hard thing to do, even if you don’t know how to be

Graphic designers, you know, coming in and helping up, you know, with icon design and and design language type issues. Again a lot of us can write great code that’s very functional and can get things across. But having good design language attached to that that conveys meaning through the iconography and the layout. Hugely important. You see a ruby project. I’m not a Ruby Dev.

Sorry, but I could write Java script and I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, Aaron, but I’ll bet Diaper Base has some JavaScript stuff somewhere in the front end. Yeah, like it’s all about finding opportunity on these things. So that’s why I wanted to skip ahead a little bit. This was out of order because I think it’s important to emphasize that this isn’t about code on Lee.

There are so many ways. I mean, people use git hub, toe like version, wild things. In some cases

great angle.

Thio. You’re testing point. The one of the key labels to look for is Q. A Q A is the word that gets attached that sometimes it’s testing. Sometimes it’s tests, but sometimes it’s a unit test or integration test, but Q. A. I think it’s probably the bigger umbrella quality assurance que a folks are the ones who generally right tests run tests.

I’m blessed to work somewhere where we have a Q a team that you know, these selenium and all that I’ve been learning. Um, not Mocha It’s the other one. Cyprus, Um, which uses mocha as their assertion library in some cases. But Cyprus is a testing framework for JavaScript for integration test. Very cool. Um, and once you figure out how it works, yeah, it’s a JavaScript you have tow, learn some Java script, but it’s all also a very lexical language.

I think I’m using the right word there like it’s very descriptive, like when you write a test, you do have to know some technical stuff to pick it out. But writing the test is a very descriptive process, like it should describe certain things. And, like I’m saying, those is literally like those were the functions it should, you know, contained the phrase this form submitted successfully, you know, like it will actually look for that string of text and things

or or low value? Is that afraid? Is that a fair to say Like like I have work to do. I have to have to pick between these these issues and this one is gonna take me longer, but it’s also much more important. This one’s easy, but it’s such a fringe bug or something like that, like it’s a low value kind

Yeah, I’m not. I’m not saying from low value. I’m just saying, like philosophically. Oh, sure, because we like. That’s one way we arrange work is we kind of term in value. So it’s Yeah, this is a bug. It’s a really bug, but it’s such a fringe bug, or it affect so few people that it from a value standpoint, fixing it isn’t very important. So

find value real fast.

Every team will sort of score or value. Some people use text labels. This is a blocker. This is critical. This is trivial. It’s all different ways of just waiting. So values something that yeah, if you’re familiar with agile story pointing, you’ll hear story pointing is a phrase, and some people will will use those in labels in their projects. So that’s why I kind of wanted to stop for a second, because you’ll see.

And that’s what that means is they’re just waiting those issues.

You still only get one shirt, though. Sorry,

make this easy for folks to. If you go to the show notes over a drunken u s dot com for this episode, I’ll have a link there that links to get hubs. Issue search pre filtered for issues that are set for Hacktoberfest. So that’s another easy way as well as you could you could search for. Like you said, Good first issue. Good first issue is a great starting place in a ton of places. N

ow I’m gonna rewind, go up the show Notes Demo Repo There’s a There’s a demo repo you can go play with called the Cloud Haiku I hike you I cu cu Yeah, I cook Um, this is a little repo that digital ocean has set up for the community that you can go in and learn how to commit to get. So this goes back to this idea that not everybody uses Get Dev’s use it.

But if you’re a designer, if your tech writer you may not be familiar with that process, so what they’ve done is they have put together some learning resource is, and one is a great slideshow again, it will have it linked in our show notes that walks through like how to make a first commit to get hub. If you want to get a little more involved, there’s get Hub Lab, which has a bunch of lessons that teach you, you know, from making a first commit toe.

You know, merging you are like a doing conflict resolution and branching and all of this kind of stuff. So then, with this demo, Repo Digital Ocean has set it up so that anybody can commit their own high coups to it and set their own PRS for Oh, that’s cool. So it’s kind of a Yeah, it’s just sort of an open repo. It’s not designed to be complex. It’s not about the code.

It’s just about get yourself comfortable making a commit to a repo and learn that process. I wanna look at this so yeah, it’s very cool, and it’s full, like if you just want to read a bunch of high coos about, you know, development in all of this. They it’s literally jam packed with um and leveling to it, obviously, So that’s a good way to get started, Especially if you aren’t a developer. If you haven’t been using git hub

Yeah, I The first, the first phrase of that Got me.

What? We need to come up with a drunken UX cloud haiku to commit. And then we’ll put on a shirt or something. Yes, let’s think about let’s do that. The other way to get started is, and this is not gonna apply to everybody because of the complexity involved. And just because of fucking 2020. But there are events. And so if you go toe hacked, ober fist dot digital ocean dot com. Don’t remember it. Go to the website, go to our website.

We’ll have a link to it. Um, at the bottom, they have a link to events. And so there are events being held around around the world. US. Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, India. All of them are having, ah, October festive ends that are designed around helping people learn how to do it, finding issues to commit to and learning that process again. It’s not everywhere. You’re probably gonna be limited to relatively big cities for that kind of stuff.

But they’re happening all over, and they have a list of them on their website. So if you are in one of those major Metro’s or something like that and you want some of that support system, see if there’s an event in your area, Um, that’s it. Sometimes the best way to learn is from other people, you know, right next to you.

So okay, I want to finish on the most important part of this, which is the etiquette of the process, because there is there is a certain, like professionalism that should come along with this, I think.

and what they way, they phrase it is for valid commits. I don’t know what constitutes valid, but I’m assuming that commit That’s not marked as spam or,

Don’t worry about how many times we’ve done this. Uh,

the important thing there is invalid is not the same as rejected, right? That’s maybe the important note to take away from that. Like if you do a PR and it’s not good enough, a most folks will help you make it good enough, but if it’s just like, oh, we’re we don’t want to do that that’s not the same is invalid.

They want you to help. They really dio speaking from experience. Yes, 100% but and and, like, you know, on that idea of follow through. So you said it, Aaron, Just then. Um, I don’t I say that like it’s a throwback. You literally said it like a minute ago.

Yeah, back in Episode 72. Like 47 minutes in, you know. Hey, could you write a test to do this? It’s okay to say I don’t know how to do that. I would love to do that, but I’m not familiar with the process of writing a test. Yeah, it’s okay to say that it’s okay to be like, man. Yeah, I wanna help, right? That test. Is there somebody that can kind of show me what that looks like, Absolutely going back.

I’m going to steal a phrase from, like, two episodes ago, three episodes ago to use the word idioms, I said, I’ve been trying to work this word into my vernacular. Now that I’ve learned it and committed to it, I’m a developer. I understand. Like I could look at Ruby, for instance, and like from a very high level, like I get the idioms, Aiken see kind of what’s happening and what’s going on there.

But this idea of making, like just coming in and asking for help and getting assistance with those issues and saying, Hey, I can write this test, I I could do this, but can you explain such and such to me? And I’ll follow through with the rest? You know, it’s just a matter of making sure that you do that follow up and you do that asking an exploration, because again, most of the folks are gonna help you.

They’re gonna be right there for you the whole way because they want you. They want you to finish that right, like they want that test. Definitely want all that stuff to come through. So they’re not asking to try toe like, make you fail. They’re just asking because again, they probably don’t know you. They don’t know your capabilities at that point. So it’s just a matter of articulating those those things and those challenges.

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Me too. I have that app on my phone. So, uh, folks, I hope you found this useful. I hope you get involved. I really hope you let us know how you’ve done in hack Tober fest. I’d love to hear if you have trouble or problems with it or if you got super into it and did, like, 33 different PR’s Let us know, uh, and and we wanna hopefully share your success with everybody

The way I would phrase that is, make it complete herbal. Sure, a lot of a lot of tickets When you get into him, you realize that, like the the scope of work is maybe bigger, that that comes back to the again. I love this. It depends like I could do that. But it depends. There’s some other stuff we have to consider. Like tickets that tickets need to be encapsulated really well for this to work.

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It’s just one afternoon, and you get to learn something and enjoy the voices of other people who aren’t in your own head again. I hope everybody enjoyed today’s episode and gets like excited about Hacktoberfest. I promise. I really, really am gonna I I don’t see that last year in the year before that. But I really am. I’m gonna find some public PR’s to pull because I’m not a horrible person.

Intentionally, I really want to support open source, and it’s just finding the time in my schedule. And I’m not making me Oh, my God, it totally yeah, let us know. I really am serious. If you got involved in October Fest, even in years past, um, let us know. Take a picture of yourself in your October Fest T shirt and send it to us, and we’d love to see it and share that out. So we hope you’re successful.

And if you need help finding up an issue or finding a project Hey, come find us online and we’ll help you find a project. You should

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Hey, no, this is the first time we’ve done this. But now Aaron’s wearing three shirts and I’m super confused

point to point to this court. Now, um and big shout out to like the folks did a lotion because obviously they’re, you know, dumping a ton of their own money in this. But also, you know, folks like at at stripe and certain c I and Gremlin and Cloudflare like this high Hacktoberfest is a big deal so way Hope you’re part of it. We hope you enjoy it and we hope you let us know how everything goes.

Because at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you’re doing work that matters to you and makes a difference to people and helps other folks build better projects and maintain open source for the benefit of other people. Because when you keep your personas close and your users closer thank by God, you know you’re doing it right. At least it depends. A bottle is empty. E finished it? Uh huh.