#78: Season 3 Finale

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the season three finale of the drunken UX podcast to 78 episodes in I am your host, Michael Fienen on your other other finale host. Aaron. How you doing, Michael? I need a future, Michael. Remember, while we’re doing all this, throw in some applause, sound effects or something underneath us make it sound impressive.

And with some fireworks and air horns and, uh, dogs working, Uh, the vuvuzela, this is Ah, job for future Michael, not current, Aaron, because you it’s no fun. Yeah, I know, But, man, you know what? Give me

I know, I know, but you agreed, so I don’t know about it. It’s like it’s like doing work except less

does it? It feels like it doesn’t it? I’ve got about three seasons more. Beard?

I do feel like, Yeah, I have to take the old one off and get hung up, and then a new one comes in. Yeah, I

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No, no, it Z kind of like, honey, it never goes bad. Uh, they just they just sort of stay there. They mold occasionally, but that’s interesting. Put some with some bleach. I see. Do you

Funny story about you Remember the story about Michael Jackson in the Pepsi commercial, right? Yes. Yeah, Well, mine was a Coke commercial. I’d snuck on set, and, uh, it was the whole thing. It’s not my fault. Harry Styles was in the commercial. I really wanted to meet him. What can I say?

Yeah, e. I still have scars. So that’s why it’s why this is

This will be content. Don’t undersell us. I’m not saying

Being playing to our strengths. I’m back to my staple scotch tonight. Ah, I talked about previously on instagram. I kind of got a special bottle. I say that it’s down more 12, which is not in and of itself, a unique bottle or anything like that. But I don’t frequently have down more um, it’s a little bit more expensive than a lot of other stuff and eso I tend to only get it around special times into the year. I loved Elmore.

It’s It’s such a rich. Its’s aged for about nine years in bourbon casks, and then they split it up between bourbon casks and sherry casks, and then they re blend it back together. You end up with this. It’s a highland, but it’s a little sweeter. It’s got some really strong like like blood orange, kind of citrusy flavors underlying it. It gets a little richer than, say, an open would, UM, or some of those.

It’s not quite to the level of some of the space sides, though it definitely like a down more 12 compared to something like Glenlivet. 12 is night and day from a flavor standpoint, Down more just has so much more flavor to it. So this is my treat to myself tonight. If you follow us on Instagram, I’ve also posted some pictures of some Let’s let’s call it a if you follow whiskey Tribe I. I posted it on rare whiskey Friday.

I It’s Christmas time and I’ve got a buddy. He and I tend to go in on a couple bottles for Christmas when bonus time comes around and things like that, and we kind of went nuts this year and about Cem extravagant bottles. But those are going to be making an appearance on future episodes as well. And so if you go check us out, tell me which one you want me to drink first. And that will be what will debut in Season four.

E have to drink it or I’ll go bad.

I for a long time with Scotch. I think everybody who drinks a lot of Scotch goes through this phase where you keep the bottle or the not just the corks, but like the bottles and the boxes and stuff. Okay, One day I looked at it and I’m like, Why am I keeping trash? And so I I broke myself of that habit. But yes to your point. E do now keep the corks.

And I’ve got one tube from an old model that I’ve been throwing all my corks in, and I’m going to do something with them. I’m not sure what yet, but it’s I’m gonna think about it and come up with something. And I have, however, for some of my like, higher end bottle. So, like my Christmas time bottle that I usually get.

I’ll usually keep at least the box because, ah, lot of the times when you if you spend like $200 on a bottle of scotch, it’s coming in a nice box like not just a little cardboard throw away thinking, Yeah, you know those. And I’ve kept that my one of my all time favorite bottles I mentioned Elmore is like my my special time Scotch. The doll More King Alexander The 3rd 12 63. It’s a mouthful, but it is a gorgeous, beautiful flavored scotch.

It is expensive as all hell. I’ve only ever owned one bottle of it. I kept that bottle because I will probably never buy another bottle of it. And it’s in down. More bottles have, like this stag head that wraps around it on like normal bottles. That’s just a little piece of silver plastic on this bottle. It’s like pewter eso.

Um, okay, this is season finale. We’ve been now doing the brand new X podcast for three years. We launched in January of 2017 were finishing in December of 2020 S. O. R. Seasons are nice and perfectly yearlong, which is very convenient,

And let’s face it, 2020 has been a year. So we were talking a few weeks ago. What did we want to talk about for the season finale? And we’ve done a number of things in the past all of which I’ve enjoyed reviewing our most popular episodes from the season doing in season one. We did a year in review where we just talked about how the show is doing and what you know we had planned for and all that.

I think those great ideas. And this year we just sort of came to the conclusion that you know what? Let’s do nothing. So we have a show about nothing. We have to show about nothing because about nothing. I tell you what, that sounds like a good idea. We have show notes up in front of us. They’re literally talking. It was empty. We’re going to be taking notes as we talk, but I have nothing prepared.

Well, and so, yeah, I think at the end we kind of said, You know what? Let’s let’s save ourselves the work. You know, we’ve We’ve both had stress in our lives this year. And, you know, we’ve had the same, I think bugaboos hiding under our beds that a lot of people have. And so it made, I think a lot of sense for us to just say, you know what we’re gonna

We’re gonna talk about the things we want to talk about, what comes to mind, um, thinking about this a lot. Like a few episodes back. I had some of the folks from high end Web. Come on. And we did sort of a very similar structure. We just talked. We just talked about what has gone well for the Manhattan and things like that. So that’s what we’re gonna do. Yeah. I’m going to start this off by kicking off Throwback to Episode 62.

We did this back in May. This was right when co vid was kicking off and and all of that and things were getting weird for people. And we did an episode on remote working. Now, remote working is not new to me. It’s not new to Aaron. Um, but I think what has changed a lot is you know, the people, we or at least people I interface with I’m not gonna speak for Aaron on this, but hey, can speak for himself, I but the people I work with,

one of them was also full remote, But none of the rest of my team waas And so they have all had to adapt to that and the struggles with that. And, um, I want to say I think we’ve done very well at it and try to be very supportive of each other and and very conscious of the stress it has because one of the things we talked about in that episode was remote. Working is not for everybody.

And so people getting thrown into that without choice in the matter that has really impacts on, you know, your psychological well being. If it’s something that you’re prepared for or good at in some cases I’m not saying that about anybody I work with. I’m just saying in general that that is very stressful thing. Even if you’re good at it, it could be stressful.

yeah, that free time, So to speak. Like, when? Because, yeah, I think that you do have to be a little bit of an introvert. At least Thio really enjoy working remotely, but it helps even the worst introverts out there do Have either of you know, they didn’t have a small social circle or they have little things they do. And when you take that away, it’s it. It’s not high volume, but it’s like high density, you know, it’s high value,

Um, and so that And that was very hard for me. That was one thing that I know hit that, um I have ah, little neighborhood bar that I like going to. I’ve got several friends there that we would just sit and like once a week, we would just sit down and it was fun. The bullshit and park football on Do whatever, bond. I go there once a week, maybe. And when I couldn’t do that anymore, it really felt like it put me out on an island.

And that’s like that. That was tough. Um, because because I before that I’d also never really thought about how much value those moments had for me on DSO.

Yeah, and so I’ve I’ve tried to make some adjustments, you know, Um, but like at work, for instance, that was one area where, um, our work said, You know what? We want to make sure that people are still getting interactions literally every day on on our calendar, we’ve got a 4 p.m. meeting where people can just jump in. And it’s just like a little after work session, because I mean, for them, it’s five o’clock for most of them.

So there’s that we do. Fabio. Friday afternoon, beer in office I think is what that stands for. Um, and normally, they would do that. Like that was Fabio in the office. Now we do it like, once a month or something, where it’s just everybody like our everybody in the office jumps on a hang a giant, hang out and have a beer and sit there and just talk. I showed everybody my chain mail. Uh, not bikini. Mind you.

Um, that’s special times, but those moments have helped me kind of supplant some of that. I think because I never used to do any of that like that was something Fabio was for the folks who were in our office, you know, on the East Coast. And I wasn’t there, so I couldn’t take part in that, um and so we’ve changed, You know, you just you change some of those habits.

out there is is still feeling stressed about this are frustrated or whatever. Okay. And feel free to reach out Thio, Aaron and I. That’s why we have the discord set up. You know, if you just want to jump in somewhere and and talk to somebody and hear a voice or, you know, read a voice, read words that would be

point too. Yeah, this is this is not what it is normally like. This is

but just know that, Yeah, if you’re having struggles with it or whatever, that’s okay, So and And don’t be afraid, Thio, you know, reach out and we’re here, And I have no doubt that folks, you know, you all have people in your lives or whatever, and I hope you’re all having good luck. So I know I know more people than I would care to who have had to deal with covert in their lives somehow.

And that sucks. So, you know, I get it, And I wanted I think I just wanted to start that not as a downer or anything like that, but because I think it’s something way. I think we’ve all shared in an extent with that. So

that we don’t advise you as a stress mechanism to lose your job. That that actually is really bad for stress in most cases.

think it speaks to. And we’ve I think we’ve hit on this a little bit here and there. But maybe not like, in a very cogent way is the importance of networking, too, you know, because I I know there are a lot of people out there, especially in other industries that certainly are lucky enough to be able to just bounce from one place to another. You know, we’re very lucky in our industry.

Web developers, Web designers are in demand still on. And you know, if you ever need Thio, know that or find something, you know, plug for our company. If you go to a quick dot com or vitamin talent dot com, we have job boards there, and we have jobs across the board from you X to design toe project management everywhere. Um, like this industry, I think, is really resilient in that way, especially because hey, let’s make everything remote.

Well, that means everything has to be digital. How are we going to do everything digital? Hire people that can do it right, so it made us valuable. But I think it also speaks volumes to how important is to talk to people and get to know other people doing what you’re doing.

And Aaron and I have, you know, endlessly professed our love for, like, the higher ed environment, partly because of the community that is there of people in web in that industry and how intrinsically helpful and linked they are to each other and how much they care about helping each other along, even when it means, you know, some of us jump, you know, to the private sector after a while.

And like to this day, I still remain connected to tons of those people and still talk to them regularly and have them on this very show is a consequence. Like like that

those those connections and I know it can be hard, especially starting out Well, where do I make those connections? That anywhere. Read it. Go on, read it and start talking to people in right and start commenting on stuff and and start having conversations. Twitter. As much as you know, we make fun of Twitter and and it could be a huge problem. There is a huge community, a very helpful Web.

People that are still there tune out the rest don’t follow the people who talk about crap that you don’t care about or anything like that. Follow the people you do care about. Look for a few hashtags relevant to your industry or your job and follow those and see who’s talking about stuff in that space and start, you know, interacting with them. Um, the number of digital conferences, of course, has exploded.

Not all of them are free arguably, but several are at least toe watch. Start going to some of those. This is advice for anybody, by the way, Like whatever job you do, you make yourself not necessarily just more valuable but mawr. I don’t know what’s reflexive ble, I guess, more nimble when you know people when you have connections or not, just when you need help. Not just when Hey, guys, I need some leads on something, you know.

Bad things happen. My company got shut down. Whatever. Yes, those things happen. Sometimes it’s also, man, I don’t know how to do this thing that I know. Other people have figured out E surely, Aiken, there’s somebody out there I could ask about this and and get some advice for or gets, um, you know, a lead on a tutorial or something like that.

Yeah, and I know that can be daunting. I know that. I say that, like, go get, go meet people. That’s easy to do in the age of Kobe. Just put

Yeah, E I I get that. You know, that takes time. It takes time to build network. It takes time to build a community around yourself. Um, but it starts with one person and look locally. You know, if you’re in a big city, there are tons of like WordPress groups and designer groups and folks who meet again. They meeting may have buried terms depending on where you are, but I think that’s really important.

And it’s a safety net more than anything at that point, like it’s it’s good for help in all of this, but it also gives you that sort of man. Things are getting bad. So I know somebody who can help me. Um, and sometimes, actually, my favorite is Do I have somebody I could go bitch to Who will understand the complaint that I have about, you know, somebody I’ve had to work with, our piece of software I’ve tried to figure out, and I just wanna go complain about how awful it is.

that’s yeah, that that’s a big one. Um, okay, I wanna I wanna ask a question of you air and what is it like? And like, as you mentioned, So you’ve switched jobs, So you’ve got a couple different pools to sort of pick from here, and I don’t care where you go for it. But what’s something that you’ve kind of that you’ve done or accomplished so far this year from a web standpoint that, like, made you feel really good for any reason, whether that’s the complexity of it or the satisfaction of doing it or or own.

When I was going to call out was like we had Jeremy Walker on earlier this year talking about exercises, Um, which is a learning platform for all kinds of coding languages, and I went through the JavaScript course on that, and I I feel like I really stepped up my Java script game this year, and I’ve written some code.

One of the things I think that I’m really proud of is, um, we aren’t done and we are in fact, a long way from being done, but the process is started at work. We are slowly getting Jake weary out of all of our code. And so everything will be vanilla Js moving forward. And so we’ve been doing an integration with a new marketing automation platform bond.

So we’ve got all of these lead forms that have to submit, you know, lead data toe, uh, to the marketing system for scoring and lead generation and all that. So we’ve got to hook this up to their A p I. So we’ve done some stuff in AWS using Lambda and a P I gateway to build our own rest ful a p i to interface with their rest fill a p I, which was very cool. I only had a hand in that not I didn’t do the whole thing. B

ut one thing that that let me do well, let me come back to that. The thing about that was we had to change a bunch of our form code in the process. And while I was doing that, I’m like, why are we using this? Like s so a good example? Um are forms have a name field, and it’s designed to be, like, full name. So one field and you just type your whole name in there. The problem was, the automation system requires first name, last name.

Don’t yell at me. I didn’t build the automation system. I only have to build to the technical requirements. Thio handle that. We used a J query plug in that was designed to split a name field in tow to other hidden fields. And it works. It works fine, but it was J query based and required J query. And then it was a J query plug in. And the plug in was like 100 some lines along something like that.

Wow. I pour that out, rewrote it vanilla Js 12 lines. And I have no doubt that somebody better than me could probably do it. And even less than that. And I think that I think that was 12 lines with some extra line breaks mixed in there. But I made

Yeah, because that’s the thing, right? It simplified the code. And now on top of that, I have a little function that Aiken that’s Arra module. Now that is abstracted that I can import anywhere. We need any form, even if it’s not a lead form. If We need to do a name split on on a field like that. I could just import that function and it’s ready to go. It doesn’t need selectors. It doesn’t need anything. You just tell what the field is, and it’s good to go.

Um, that felt again. And that’s I think, a good example, really. Small thing felt really good, though it felt good to bright code in a way that felt right. I’m using the word right there a lot. That’s not the fault of the Elmore. That’s just the way Haman is work. Three other thing that I shelved the other thing that I’m I’m really happy we’re starting to get more serious about when we were writing this.

A p I Gateway stuff. Andi, I’ve mentioned this on the show before, though I don’t think we’ve actually gone into depth on this. May be a little bit, um, but we got pretty riel about writing Cyprus tests. Okay, so when somebody updates that code, they can run the Cyprus test and it will. It will submit data to the gateway. It’ll check it. It’ll read the response. It checks the whole bunch of different conditions and We’ll tell you if that’s right or wrong.

Um, that felt really good to because we’ve It’s something we’ve talked about a lot. From a workflow standpoint, that’s like we need to write more tests. We should be writing tests for all of this stuff so that we don’t break things. Obviously, that’s the way modern development works. And it’s one of those things where sometimes prioritization of work and deadlines forces you to cut corners on things.

And testing was usually the thing that always like we have a Q A person. So at the end of the day, it’s like, Why write a test when the Q A person has to go do it? Well, that’s a silly mentality toe have. But the fact of the matter was, it gave us a safety net, and it was an excuse to cut that corner, even though obviously we know that’s bad. Everybody, you you’re gonna have to make sacrifices like that.

And in the real world, no matter how much we argue otherwise and tell you that that you need to do all this stuff, people get paid more than us to make some of those decisions. Um, so with this. We wrote real Cyprus tests and their there and they’re ready to go. And the last time we made a tweak, one of the first things that came out was make sure update that Cyprus test.

And it was like because now it’s they’re now working on that code means working on the test you have can’t do one without the other. And so it’s part of the process. It’s baked in, um, and it will make that code better. I’m really excited about the prospects of that becoming mawr of our style. Um, just because of that, the other things the the reason I like tests, I think is it really makes you think about your code little more sideways.

Uh huh. Ah, lot of places will tell you, toe right, the test first, even. Sure. A lot of

and it like, say, I think it. I think it just makes people better, whether it’s integration test or a unit test, whatever writing that test forces you like. In our case, I had to really stop and think about Okay, well, one of the a p I responses and one of the first things that happened was I wrote my test and it had a huge blind spot because of the way the a P I returned data and you could completely fail the submission.

But because of the way I was checking the response and the information that came in the response, it would the test would pass a complete failure because I just I hadn’t written it specific enough. And so I had to go through and tweak all that. Then we had to do it a second time because we wrote a second a p i in point, but it was working a little differently, But it had the same output, like on on the return response.

And so we had to sit down and figure out Okay, So how do we do this without rewriting or, you know, copy pasting. You know, violating what we call dry. Don’t repeat yourself. We’re gonna just copy and paste this entire chunk of tests that felt silly. So we figured out how toe extract that in Cyprus so that we could just reuse that same chunk of test over again.

you said TV. The earlier test driven development who don’t know

Because if you’re finding something hard to write a test for, there’s probably a problem with how you’re writing your code like either you’re not. You’re not making you’re not following solid principles. You’re not doing like the single single responsibility principle form of your methods, or you are not like like maybe you need dependency injection because you’re like you can’t like.

You have to tinker with the method too much in order to make it testable. There’s a bunch of different things that, like, if you could write a test for it, then it’s more likely that your code will be more resilient to change in the future.

And I think you know, especially like in particular unit testing, um, is really good to get you start thinking like object oriented a lot of ways because it comes down to things like when you start with the test. You care about the output, not how you get to the output. And so it helps you get away from thinking about Thio throwback to another good word from the season, the idioms of languages and those things that will get you there.

And it makes you think about, well, I need I need blue paint, so my results should be. Actually have a blue wall? Sure, that’s my test. My wall should be blue. Well, I could go by blue paint. I could also go by green paint and yellow paint and mix them. There’s a lot of solutions to that problem and the way you approach that will change and the other buzzword I’ll throw in.

This is agile, agile tends to get you into this because agile is about constantly iterating on things so well. The simple solution, obviously, is to just go by blue paint. Eso that’s that’s the function, so to speak of how you get a blue wall. But down the road, you may discover well, we also need a red wall and a green wall and an orange wall.

And so you think, Well, we could buy individual cans of each of those, or we could start thinking about primary colors and how to mix them. And so maybe then what happens is you change that function to take two colors and mix them and output of color. And so then you get to where you’re You can give it red and yellow and get orange.

So but the output, then you can also say, Here’s green and yellow and I still get blue. I still have a blue wall. As a consequence of that, even though the internal semantics of that function have changed, the output is still blue. As a consequence,

So we call that 12 In is the way we refer to the work, but it’s the exact same principle.

What about like, I don’t use the word failure, that flat word failure in my world. Something is a failure only if you didn’t learn from it and didn’t fix something as a consequence. But was there anything that didn’t go well for you, or maybe even rephrase eyes? There, anything you threw away was there. Were there any tools that you gave up on for something else?

like a Bottleneck,

e have a gaming website, man. And now I think about God. I’ve actually started this thing about eight years ago, I think, Um, and for the the game in question, it was pretty much the leading website out there for that game for a while. And ah, I over time had less and less time to commit to it, and it needed the way I had it set up like intentionally.

It needed a hand to guide it because it took user submissions, but not just like random community generated content. Like anything that was submitted got curated through an editing process and things like that, and the site went down. Actually, last year towards the end of last year, because I just straight up forgot to renew the domain name. I thought I had it on auto Renew. I’d switched.

I’d switched registrars and thought I had everything on Auto Renew and I didn’t. And so I lost the domain. And like when I say I lost it, I mean, I completely I couldn’t get it back at all. Um, and there’s a site there now that’s like a weird It’s not a squatter site, but it’s definitely a weird sight anyway. Not important. But that forced me to sit down and think about what the future of the site waas.

There were a lot of folks on Reddit that popped up and said, Hey, what happened to the site? And so clearly people are still using it, still referencing it, even though I hadn’t been paying hardly any attention to it. So I got a different domain. I relaunched it. I said, Hey, here’s where it is. I shut down the contribution part of it. Um, and I just left it basically in a read only state.

And I started the process of trying to put together like a team Toby like, let’s you know, this code hasn’t been touched in three years, its way out of date. It doesn’t work very well in some areas. Let’s rewrite this stuff. Let’s fix these problems. Let’s update, you know, the look and feel of it. And let’s even get together some writers for it and things like this. And I got I was hitting that really hard in about January of this year earlier this year.

And, man, I’m not even gonna be ashamed of it. I lost steam on it and t to say, you know, failure is just something you don’t learn from. I didn’t learn from that mistake because I nothing has changed on it, and I haven’t moved forward on. I feel really bad about it, um, from that standpoint, But I also had to admit it was too much. I had too many things on my plate, and that particular project just simply took too much time.

And there there was no like payout on it, you know, so to speak there. It wasn’t making money for me. It wasn’t anything like that. All it did was cost me time. And unfortunately, I just have other stuff in my life that took priority. And I feel that sucks. And I would like to revisit it and figure out how to make it whole. I guess so to speak and or at least get into somebody else’s hands.

But I have. I’ve tried and have not been successful in that area because it’s hard, man. It find me a Web developer who doesn’t have side projects already, you know? Yeah. So I felt that

Um, for the podcast. Let’s let’s talk podcast, though. Just a little bit, you know? Obviously not a whole show for a recap, but I think there’s some stuff to talk about here. Hey, i e I’ve never heard that phrase until you said it just a little bit ago. I understood it contextually, but that was a new one for me. Uh huh. So we’re finishing out season 3. 78 episodes were putting out 26 of them a year. We have not missed an episode.

I do not intend to miss an episode. Season four is coming. Season four is already under production. Um, I intend the Season five and season six. Uh, if time allows. I’m really looking forward to that. I feel very bad in a similar fashion our website is in need of, I think a lot of TLC. I think anybody who has used it, we’ll note that I was looking at our archives earlier and apparently a we we use a parent theme that is a just a paid premium theme that then has a child theme On top of it.

There was some update, I guess, to the parent theme that for some reason, our archives show two players. Oh, I’ve noticed that E I need to go through and look at that and clean that up. Obviously, um, but the site needs just some generalized work all the way around, and I need to find some time to commit to that. So I do plan on doing that.

The one thing that has come up in various capacities and is is moving forward is we will have a merch store of some kind coming up. We’ve started some graphic design errands, taking the reins on a little bit of that. I’ve got another graphic designer that’s working on some stuff that I think, I think that

E think you will enjoy what we have coming. It’s largely like T shirt based and whatnot, but it’s not. It’s not like kitschy drunken UX stuff like it’s just if you’re a Web developer or a Web designer, I think you’re just going to enjoy the ideas that we’ve got and the designs were putting together on day are surprisingly original. I think in most cases, so I hope so.

I think there’s a couple that I have seen variations to some extent on, but, um, there’s one in particular. I’m really excited about showing off. I we haven’t got the design on it started yet. The concept of it’s all worked up, though, but let’s just say I’m really excited to get that in front of some folks and see what you all think. But that is coming. That will be a thing, and that will be something.

They will be affordable azi much as we could make him and try to make a dollar or something off of them just so we can throw that towards hosting costs and whatnot, but also talking about the money side of this. And we We haven’t done it to this point for a number of reasons, but I’ve been strategizing and plotting and scheming, and I do plan probably early in 2021 if not at the start of 2021. I’m planning to launch a patryan for the show.

Yeah. So if anybody wants to share dollar with us, you know everything that the the support levels are marginal, like literally one through $5. I’m not out there throwing a $20 a month thing out there. Nothing like that. These air cheap again just to help us offset hosting costs for the show. Basically, I mean, we could

Yeah, well, have options, certainly, but nobody will be locked into being like, Well, I can donate a dollar. I donate $10. That’s not very good. I’m trying to keep it very reasonable in that way. Because, you know, it’s just a modest amount that covers hosting and strings, Um, and helps us do things like higher designer. Um, you know, do some of these merchandise ideas.

Um, the big threshold, I think for me is having enough coming in a month to hire a legitimate transcription person. Yes. Oh, gosh, that would be huge. Right now, we’re using automated transcripts. They’re not amazing at this point, but they’re better than nothing. Um, but I would love to be able to afford to pay an actual human being transcript person. So,

something in the in that area. I’ve done the math on that one point. I mean it z not cheap, to say the least. Human transcription generally runs at it’s cheapest, about a dollar a minute. So, like, it sounds cheap until you think about yeah, Doing one into our episodes

the big things, though, and I’ve I’d steered away from the idea of doing, like, any kind of, like, real premium like benefits, I guess, uh, mainly because it’s hard to commit to I think that much extra work. But one thing I do think we will be offAarong, and I’m gonna probably go back and redo some episodes.

Thio help with this is well, is, um usually when we do interviews, you know, they come in at our normal hour length, but we record an hour and a half, sometimes even Mawr. And so I think I’m going to make the full length interviews available. Uh, Thio anybody at probably any tear.

I think if you’re a patryan backer, then you will get full access to the full length interviews if you want to hear more from the folks that we have on, so that’s one that’s kind of right at the forefront of my mind and will very likely be coming. And we’ll probably do some of the other very common stuff like, Hey, you know, help us vote on topics for future episodes and little, you know, little things like that. Yeah, Otherwise, I’m real proud of what we’ve got.

So far, our numbers have been good throughout co vid. Actually a lot of shows saw a pretty mean hit on their listener numbers, with people not driving and not taking transit and listening to shows on their way to work being preoccupied with, Yeah, I’m proud to say, you know, we we saw a little dip as a result, but I think we weathered that and grown on top of it.

So without getting into specific numbers on on that But as always, I say you know anybody who would enjoy the show, be sure to share it, you know, leave us like a review. If you listen to us on, you know, Apple podcast school podcasts ditch your Spotify wherever, um, you know, hit the like button, the rating button. Any of that helps us because it helps reach, and it takes a second. I shared some stuff on instagram stuff.

It’s like That’s that would be the perfect Christmas present. I’m not gonna take too hard on it, But if you have a second and want to do that, it certainly is very appreciated. Yeah, Aaron, what else am I missing? What if we What else has happened this year? Has there been in a big Web news this year that the Gmail or Google stuff was kind of interesting, right? The the icon redesign of all the Google properties that got people of arms pretty big. All right,

little things. The little thing

one of the other big things from this year, and it’s certainly not done at all. But, um, you know, the last, uh, big release for word pressing this 55 still a ways to go. But they have in fact, been making a lot of progress on accessibility in the platform. Um, you know, as much criticism as Aziz we levied at them and certainly, you know more than a few other people about the accessibility of Gutenberg.

Uh, and despite the failings that does still have, they have made a lot of strides, and they’ve been true. Their word that, you know, that was something they were going to keep working on, so that’s been good to see. It’s encouraging to say the least, um, people still complain about it. That’s one thing that has not changed this year was boy. People have not gotten used to Gutenberg quickly, that’s for sure. It’s good to see.

It’s good to see that’s making progress. And I think it well, hopefully be good for the platform. I think in the long run, I do like using it for the show. I I find a lot of nice things about it, to say the least, you know about the way it works and the way it integrates with content. I have enjoyed building stuff for it. So Well, how about this? For the last time in 2020 I’m gonna say kickback. Have yourself a simple whatever. Drink your heaven and we’ll be right back with you after this break.

Well, that rounds it out for us. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for sitting with us for three years. I hope we’ve entertained you. I hope that in all of the strife that has been 2021 we’ve given you some humor, some learning some sense of enjoyment. Certainly I assume you’re not tuning in because you’re a masochist and hate us, but they teach their own. You know, I’m not gonna No, no, no judgment. If you want to join us, we’re on Twitter.

We’re on Facebook. You can find a slash drunken you x because up on instagram that slash drunken UX podcast. If you want to chat with us at any point, you can come find us. Drunken. You x dot com slash discord. I hope everybody has a merry Christmas. I hope you enjoyed your stocking stuffers from our last episode. Um, if not, go back and check that out. We talked about CSS math functions.

We talked about some data flags we talked about among us, among other things. And those are waiting for you. We’ll do a little bit more of that in 2021. I think I like the little quick kid or topic episodes. Those air fun. They From what I can tell, you guys enjoy them as well. Um, all I can do is in the year is I begin the year and tell you Keep your personas close your users closer. Merry Christmas. Happy new years. We’ll see you in season four. Bye bye.